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Topic [Discussion] Parabuthus spp.

Post by GS on Wed Jan 23, 2013 4:33 pm

Gathering Parabuthus spp lovers for discussion with regards to their husbandry and breeding projects. It is not restricted to Parabuthus transvaalicus but opened to all Parabuthus spp. Feel free to post your queries or chip-in for some informative discussion with the keepers here Smile

Parabuthus transvaalicus:
[Discussion] Parabuthus spp. Parabuthus_transvaalicus_by_GS_030313_pic1

Parabuthus liosoma:
[Discussion] Parabuthus spp. Parabuthus_liosoma_by_GS_120512_pic_1

Parabuthus pallidus:
[Discussion] Parabuthus spp. Parabuthus_pallidus_by_GS_010513_pic1

Parabuthus villosus:
[Discussion] Parabuthus spp. Parabuthus_villosus_oranje_by_GS_090313_pic2

Premolt:
This is "THE" pre-molt position which i have observe in all my desert specimens which i would like to share. Refer to the picture below, as the actual day of molting draws near, the pair of chela is bent more inwards to the Chelicera. Metasoma is in a relax position.
[Discussion] Parabuthus spp. Premolt_Desert_Scorpion_by_GSscorpions82_221111_pic1

Side View
[Discussion] Parabuthus spp. Premolt_Desert_Scorpion_by_GSscorpions82_221111_pic2

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A week later after the picture above was taken:
[Discussion] Parabuthus spp. Parabuthus_transvaalicus_6i_female_by_GSscorpions82_291111_pic1

[Discussion] Parabuthus spp. Parabuthus_transvaalicus_6i_female_by_GSscorpions82_291111_pic2

How to identify a pre-molt Parabuthus transvaalicus scorpling:

Loosening of the outer exoskeleton:
[Discussion] Parabuthus spp. Parabuthus_transvaalicus_2instar_by_GSscorpions82_311011_pic1a

The next day:
[Discussion] Parabuthus spp. Parabuthus_transvaalicus_2instar_by_GSscorpions82_311011_pic2

Sexual Dimporhism:
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Sexing by the presence the "tooths" on the basal middle lamella which are located near the point where the two pectine meets:

Refer to the arrows below for the location of basal middle lamella.
[Discussion] Parabuthus spp. Parabuthus_liosoma_by_GS_120512_pic_14

[Discussion] Parabuthus spp. 4i_to_5i_MoltSq16

Close-up shot on the basal middle lamella on a female specimen:
[Discussion] Parabuthus spp. Parabuthus_transvaalicus_8i_female_pectine_by_GS
* Depending on the magnification of your lens, sexing via the above method maybe feasible as early as 2.instar.

Sexing by chela comparison
[Discussion] Parabuthus spp. Parabuthus_liosoma_by_GS_120512_pic_13

[Discussion] Parabuthus spp. PTrans_mating_pair2_by_GS_Pic4
Left chela = female , Right chela = male
* Note that the above method (to identify the male) is feasible for adult specimens as bulbous chelas are only visible in males at 7.instar (on rare occasion, at 6.instar).

The photo below shows the size difference of the chela between a freshly molted 7.instar male and his former molt skin of 6.instar:
[Discussion] Parabuthus spp. PTrans_Male_7i_Pic1

THE THING ABOUT "SPITTING SCORPIONS":
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Let's keep things short.

Do they have the ability to spit/spray venom?
Yes.

Do they do it often?
Rarely it happens. Unless severely agitated.

Do i have to really wear safety goggles when dealing with them?
It really depends on how much you are willing to gear up for safety.
Bear in mind that even though they rarely spit/spray venom in captivity, it does not mean that they may not one day.

Whats your advice?
They are pets for viewing and nothing else.
Keep them secured in the tank nicely and always use a long pairs of tongs when working with them.
Do not provoke them (poking them with your tongs etc) and you should be fine.

MATING:
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FEEDING VIDEOS:
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Parabuthus Transvaalicus Videos:











P.Trans Drinking from a mist:


Husbandry:
[ASA] Desert Scorpions' Caresheet

Recording of life-cycle intervals:
Note that molting interval may be different between specimens kept by different keepers and even among scorpion siblings.

The following are some of the factors which may affect the range between each molting interval:
- Feeding regime
- Temperature
- Humidity
- Provision of ideal enclosure setup to that these scorpions may undergo the minimal stress in a captive environment

Parabuthus transvaalicus
1.instar to 2.instar > 8-15 days
2.instar to 3.instar > 30-45 days
3.instar to 4.instar > 35-50 days
4.instar to 5.instar > 45-60 days
5.instar to 6.instar > 70-100 days
6.instar to 7.instar > 80-134 days
7.instar to 8.instar > 52-84 days

Cheers,
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Topic Re: [Discussion] Parabuthus spp.

Post by Liocheles on Tue Feb 12, 2013 7:55 pm

Parabuthus lover is here!

Parabuthus pallidus
[Discussion] Parabuthus spp. 376916_2612097025420_1115197086_n
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Topic Re: [Discussion] Parabuthus spp.

Post by Liocheles on Tue Feb 12, 2013 8:03 pm

P. liosoma

[Discussion] Parabuthus spp. 577094_3965717105076_401206420_n

P. transvallicus

[Discussion] Parabuthus spp. 378233_3567370426658_1051820610_n
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Topic Re: [Discussion] Parabuthus spp.

Post by GS on Wed Feb 13, 2013 2:04 am

Thanks for adding in the variety Liocheles.

Is the P.transvaalicus going to get an "apartment upgrade" soon? Razz

I like the idea.. space saver.. Smile

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Topic Re: [Discussion] Parabuthus spp.

Post by Liocheles on Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:50 am

GS wrote:Thanks for adding in the variety Liocheles.

Is the P.transvaalicus going to get an "apartment upgrade" soon? Razz

I like the idea.. space saver.. Smile

actually it just temporary for taking picture. lol. took her out of her bungalow for clean and picture purpose. can see through the container her bungalow.. Smile
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Topic Re: [Discussion] Parabuthus spp.

Post by GS on Thu Feb 14, 2013 11:53 am

I guessed so. Yep, I saw her mansion below her Smile

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Topic Re: [Discussion] Parabuthus spp.

Post by GS on Fri Mar 01, 2013 4:48 pm

Embryos of Parabuthus transvaalicus

[Discussion] Parabuthus spp. Parabuthus_transvaalicus_by_GS_240213_pic2

Measurement of a Gravid 8.instar Parabuthus transvaalicus

[Discussion] Parabuthus spp. Parabuthus_transvaalicus_by_GS_240213_pic1

[Discussion] Parabuthus spp. Parabuthus_transvaalicus_by_GS_010313_pic1

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Topic Re: [Discussion] Parabuthus spp.

Post by ahxean on Mon Mar 25, 2013 4:33 pm

Hi, are all the P.Trans female can reach 8i or just by chance?
If a P.Trans female 7i was mated, and successfully give birth, is her possible to reach 8i?
7i or 8i is the best for mating?
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Topic Re: [Discussion] Parabuthus spp.

Post by GS on Tue Mar 26, 2013 11:17 am

Not all.

Usually, only unmated 7i females have a shot at attaining 8i.

"When they know that they are sexy enough, they simply stop trying" Smile

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Topic Re: [Discussion] Parabuthus spp.

Post by Shakudo on Wed Mar 27, 2013 11:37 pm

GS wrote:Not all.

Usually, only unmated 7i females have a shot at attaining 8i.

"When they know that they are sexy enough, they simply stop trying" Smile

LOL


Great pictures!! thanks for sharing!
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Topic Re: [Discussion] Parabuthus spp.

Post by GS on Thu Mar 28, 2013 8:12 am

Thanks mate. More info to come.

Stay tuned Very Happy

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Topic Re: [Discussion] Parabuthus spp.

Post by GS on Sat Mar 30, 2013 6:10 pm

Jackson_Oscillada wrote:
Hey guys, how long does it take for a P.Trans to harden its exoskeleton? I bought one today and according to the dealer,it molted last friday.

Assuming that the husbandry has been provided correctly for the scorpion, it usually takes between 4-10 days for a freshly molted specimen to have it's exo-skeleton fully hardened.

The range is huge as the number of days is dependent on which instar was the specimen at. Generally, the younger the instar, the faster it's exo-skeleton will harden.

e.g. a freshly molted 3.instar takes about 4-5 days and a freshly molted 8.instar may take up to 8-10 days.

Using black light, once you notice that the specimen is fully florescent under it, the specimen is not far from being ready to hunt.

Let us know if you have more queries.

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Topic Re: [Discussion] Parabuthus spp.

Post by Jackson_Oscillada on Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:04 am

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Hey guys, how long does it take for a P.Trans to harden its exoskeleton? I bought one today and according to the dealer,it molted last friday.

Assuming that the husbandry has been provided correctly for the scorpion, it usually takes between 4-10 days for a freshly molted specimen to have it's exo-skeleton fully hardened.

The range is huge as the number of days is dependent on which instar was the specimen at. Generally, the younger the instar, the faster it's exo-skeleton will harden.

e.g. a freshly molted 3.instar takes about 4-5 days and a freshly molted 8.instar may take up to 8-10 days.

Using black light, once you notice that the specimen is fully florescent under it, the specimen is not far from being ready to hunt.

Let us know if you have more queries.

so... for a freshly molted 3instar(right now) P.trans will take 5 days utmost... Okay then, thanks sir Very Happy

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Topic Re: [Discussion] Parabuthus spp.

Post by GS on Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:35 am

No prob. Feel free to post your queries in ASA forum Smile

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Topic Re: [Discussion] Parabuthus spp.

Post by ahxean on Wed Apr 24, 2013 2:38 pm

GS wrote:No prob. Feel free to post your queries in ASA forum Smile

Hi GS, do you mind sharing the life-cycle or P.Trans?
I went to your personal page http://gsscorpions82.multiply.com/ and found out it was not working.
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Topic Re: [Discussion] Parabuthus spp.

Post by GS on Thu Apr 25, 2013 1:40 pm

ahxean wrote:
Hi GS, do you mind sharing the life-cycle or P.Trans?
I went to your personal page http://gsscorpions82.multiply.com/ and found out it was not working.
Thanks.

Hi Bro,

Multiply has shut down their webhosting services hence the a/m URL to our former site has stopped working. The same goes for DolbyR's multiply site.

All if not most of the info has been migrated here, not to worry as we will be around.

As for P.transvaalicus lifecycle, not a problem. It has been updated at post #1 of this Parabuthus spp discussion thread.

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Topic Re: [Discussion] Parabuthus spp.

Post by ahxean on Fri Apr 26, 2013 9:01 am

GS wrote:

Hi Bro,

Multiply has shut down their webhosting services hence the a/m URL to our former site has stopped working. The same goes for DolbyR's multiply site.

All if not most of the info has been migrated here, not to worry as we will be around.

As for P.transvaalicus lifecycle, not a problem. It has been updated at post #1 of this Parabuthus spp discussion thread.

Ok got it, thanks! Very Happy
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Topic Re: [Discussion] Parabuthus spp.

Post by GS on Fri Apr 26, 2013 11:15 am

No prob. Are you having a 7.instar female P.transvaalicus going to 8.instar?
Feel free to share your pictures here when you are available Smile

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Topic Re: [Discussion] Parabuthus spp.

Post by GS on Sat Apr 27, 2013 11:11 am

Very beautiful P.tansavaalicus. Thanks for sharing Smile

That 7.instar has a good size. How big is her body length in cm?

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Topic Re: [Discussion] Parabuthus spp.

Post by ahxean on Sat Apr 27, 2013 11:29 am

Thank you. From mouth to the end of telson is around 7.5-8.5 cm.
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Topic Re: [Discussion] Parabuthus spp.

Post by GS on Sat Apr 27, 2013 11:59 am

She'll probably hit 10-11.5cm at 8.instar. You mentioned she had mated twice.. on both occasion did you witness a similar act that suggests her accepting the spermatophore?

Something like this..


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Topic Re: [Discussion] Parabuthus spp.

Post by ahxean on Sat Apr 27, 2013 3:30 pm

Luckily you reminded me, I have some doubt too.

The 1st time I can say it was a successful mating, the male took just 2 minutes for the whole section. I could see clearly the female accepted the spermatophore.

However, for the 2nd time, the female was struggling at first, and then the male still successfully place a spermatophore, but the spermatophore looked like it did not insert into the bottom part (dont know what it is called) of the female.

Any idea? Thanks.
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Topic Re: [Discussion] Parabuthus spp.

Post by GS on Sat Apr 27, 2013 7:57 pm

Hmm.. how long apart are the mating? If it's consecutively one after the other, maybe the male needed more "rest"

Just kidding Laughing

Sometimes it can be hard to peep right under them to get the whole story.. can't really comment on mating #2 if it's a good or bad one.

I'll say it's fine to mate them for at least a couple more times if they have been housed separately. Maybe once a week or two.

Or you can simply house a pair communally. Shouldn't be a prob if the husbandry is ideal Smile

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Topic Re: [Discussion] Parabuthus spp.

Post by yames on Sat Apr 27, 2013 9:43 pm

Ha I've walked around like that after an especially good night. I know how that male feels.
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Topic Re: [Discussion] Parabuthus spp.

Post by ahxean on Sun Apr 28, 2013 5:59 am

The 2nd mating is right after 1 week behind the 1st. The measurement of my tank is L 26 cm x H 10 cm x W 17 cm, i think it will be narrow for a pair.

Both male and female are bought from different person and I am scared to house them communally. What a Face
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