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Bad molts in Scorpions

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Topic Bad molts in Scorpions

Post by GS on Sun May 05, 2013 5:21 am

A thread to share your experience and views on what actually causes bad molts in scorpions.

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Topic Re: Bad molts in Scorpions

Post by DolbyR on Sun May 05, 2013 8:43 pm

I think it's that "only the strongest" will survive thing in action here. Sometimes, we provide the ideal conditions, and still it just goes wrong.

Temperatures, humidity and stress may cause it too, but this is not always the case.

For the records, sharing a bad molt from my previous experience:
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Topic Re: Bad molts in Scorpions

Post by yames on Wed May 08, 2013 10:41 pm

I seem to be a bad molt beacon this week.
This Bi color was stuck like this for over 8 hours and just gave up
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This emp died and is glued to moms forehead from 1i into 2i
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Topic Re: Bad molts in Scorpions

Post by yames on Sun Jul 07, 2013 4:20 pm

I've been taking pictures of everything because that's what we do and I've found my trend in bad molts. For lack of a better word I'd call it breach molt. Where the mesosoma (back) of the exoskeleton cracks first instead of the clean line around the chelecera then all the pushing in the world doesn't get them free and they just end up dead with a big hunchback look. I lost a Babycurus jacksoni just this weekend like that.
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Topic Re: Bad molts in Scorpions

Post by jhoagland on Wed Dec 25, 2013 2:42 am

Curios, if one saw this starting to happen, would outside help be any help? I have helped snakes and blue crabs with this before.

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Topic Re: Bad molts in Scorpions

Post by ShredderEmp on Wed Dec 25, 2013 10:50 am

Probably not.
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Topic Re: Bad molts in Scorpions

Post by DolbyR on Tue Jan 07, 2014 1:08 pm

Depends on a lot of factors. How big is the scorpion, did the old exo have time to dry out etc..

But yes, in some cases it is possible to make the scorpion to survive.

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Topic Re: Bad molts in Scorpions

Post by siyllables on Sun Jan 26, 2014 6:37 pm

how do you tell if it's a bad molt? do you measure it by time or are there characteristics?

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Topic Re: Bad molts in Scorpions

Post by ShredderEmp on Sun Jan 26, 2014 6:47 pm

It is a bad molt when the scorpion looses it's life r is injured or simply doesn't turn out like it should. Usually they break around the chelicerae, but as in yames' post, sometimes that doesn't happen.
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Topic Re: Bad molts in Scorpions

Post by GS on Mon Jan 27, 2014 3:11 am

siyllables wrote:how do you tell if it's a bad molt? do you measure it by time or are there characteristics?

Agree with the above.

Another clue would be indeed.. "time".

Molting is a slow but "continuous" process that a scorpion undergoes when it is "up for the next molt". As the clock starts ticking (once the scorpion enters the "molting process"), the process may be slow.. but.. there MUST be progression.

If you noticed that your specimen has not made any progression since the last time you check on it (at least after waiting for 3-4 hours), something might not be "on track"

Is there something we can do?
Usually not, but for certain scenarios whereby the scorpion's molt is at least 95% completed (e.g. only one of it's "feet" or chela still stuck in it's older exoskeleton), the keeper might be able to "assist" a little, BUT, this is always the last resort. If any keeper is not sure, please post a picture here to seek advice before you proceed.

Some keepers may advice putting a "few drops" of water near the specimen to "aid in the molting".. supposingly helps to "bump up the humidity" so that the scorpion will have more "moisture" to help with the molting. I would say.. no harm doing that, but, in most situation, it is either "it will make it... or NOT" situation whereby the factors affecting the outcome, is usually the husbandry provided for the scorpion prior to this molt.

Of course, there might be cases when we seem to be doing everything "right" and yet, our beloved scorpion fails to make it to the next molt. I guess, somethings are "fated", even as humans, who can guarantee a long and healthy life as long as we eat and live "right"?

Sharing my personal experience (may varies from keepers/species/specimens)

The fastest scorpion's successful molt that occurred under my care is as follows:
Young instar to sub-adults: less than 1 hour
Final molt to adulthood: less than 2.5 hours

The SLOWEST scorpion's successful molt that occurred under my care is as follows:
Young instar to sub-adults: not exceeding 5 hours
Final molt to adulthood: not exceeding 8-10 hours

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Topic Re: Bad molts in Scorpions

Post by DolbyR on Mon Jan 27, 2014 8:48 pm

GS wrote:Some keepers may advice putting a "few drops" of water near the specimen to "aid in the molting".. supposingly helps to "bump up the humidity" so that the scorpion will have more "moisture" to help with the molting. I would say.. no harm doing that, but, in most situation, it is either "it will make it... or NOT" situation whereby the factors affecting the outcome, is usually the husbandry provided for the scorpion prior to this molt.

Well put!

I have yet to experience any positive effect of this "method", it is more likely that the scorpion may move enough to drown in this drop (if an early instar). I can confirm it has worked for a T once for me, but this is another subject.

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Topic Re: Bad molts in Scorpions

Post by siyllables on Tue Jan 28, 2014 12:27 pm

is there any way we can prepare our scorpions for a molt?

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Topic Re: Bad molts in Scorpions

Post by GS on Tue Jan 28, 2014 5:20 pm

siyllables wrote:is there any way we can prepare our scorpions for a molt?

Hi siyllables,

This is what I would advice:
http://www.allscorpionarchives.com/t10-how-to-what-is-molting-and-premolt-in-scorpion-context

Let us know if you have further queries.

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