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Is H. longimanus parthenogenetic?

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Topic Is H. longimanus parthenogenetic?

Post by lazydonut on Wed Jul 09, 2014 11:46 am

yames wrote:But on to the question. Scientists the world over do not consider them to be Parthenogenetic. However some hobbyists from the Philippines claim that they %100 are. Unfortunately none of the people making the claim are willing to actually document it or in any credible way try to prove it to the scientific community. They so far have preferred to troll forums and start flame wars.

I would personally welcome an opportunity to raise some 2nd I's individually to adulthood to see if I could recreate their findings.
I'm not grave-digging here (hopefully I'm not >.< ).
I just want to mention how I've longed to really document the raising of the so-called parthenogenetic H. longimanus. If they are A) really parthenogenetic, and B) H. longimanus.

As a college student, having extra money is always an issue, so I'll have to wait (as I have been doing for the past 5 months) for the opportunity to buy some of these from 2 or 3 instar. The issue is, some sellers claim it to be parthenogenetic, whilst others say it isnt. Interestingly, it might be a different species altogether. So we'll have to wait and see.

Cheers guys
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Topic Re: Is H. longimanus parthenogenetic?

Post by GS on Mon Jul 14, 2014 11:37 am

I guess it all boils down to the credibility of the source. To the scorpion community (internationally), most (especially the sceptical ones) would refer to "scientific sources" for the "fact sheet".

In my opinion, anyone with such a claim should try to get their documentation proven by the scientific community. By sticking to their believes on social media platforms, it will not be fruitful at all...

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Topic Re: Is H. longimanus parthenogenetic?

Post by Shadowfoot on Mon Jul 14, 2014 3:46 pm

GS wrote:I guess it all boils down to the credibility of the source. To the scorpion community (internationally), most (especially the sceptical ones) would refer to "scientific sources" for the "fact sheet".
Exactly.

I've had a few "discussions" on facebook pages with more than a couple of people claiming that their H.longimanus were parthenogenetic but when asked for any documentation of this or proof there came no replies. A few people even went as far as saying their MALE H.longimanus were the ones giving birth which just shows the credibility of the source...
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Topic Re: Is H. longimanus parthenogenetic?

Post by lazydonut on Mon Jul 14, 2014 11:51 pm

Shadowfoot wrote:I've had a few "discussions" on facebook pages with more than a couple of people claiming that their H.longimanus were parthenogenetic but when asked for any documentation of this or proof there came no replies. A few people even went as far as saying their MALE H.longimanus were the ones giving birth which just shows the credibility of the source...
Laypeople always rely on the information that was given by the sellers, they dont even bother to do any research at all, even confirm their species. They just say, "but the seller told me..." Which is a bad practice in the scorpion hobby, or any other pet-keeping hobby for that matter. 
Most parthenogenetic claims I see are ones made by people who buy adult "H. longimanus" (if it really is H. longimanus) then suddenly see their pets give birth. And because they didnt take the time to confirm their information, or even confirm the gender of their scorpion, there's bound to be alot of false claims.

I'll do what I can to look into the claims of some "breeders" in my country. Check and write down everything since 2nd instar. When I get some H. longimanus
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Topic Re: Is H. longimanus parthenogenetic?

Post by GS on Tue Jul 15, 2014 5:26 am

lazydonut wrote:I'll do what I can to look into the claims of some "breeders" in my country. Check and write down everything since 2nd instar. When I get some H. longimanus
Good initiative! A good documentation of pictures and notes taking takes effort. It's a step forward I say.

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